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Intermittant issue with round not chambering after pressing slide release

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#1 ·
I just took my new WC Classic (full-size 45 acp) and put 300 rounds of 230gr Remington UMC through it. 2 times, when the slide was locked back and I inserted a fresh magazine (Wilson ETM) and pressed the slide release, the top round in the mag jammed and wouldn't chamber (the round sort of ended up getting stuck in the ejection port). I'm not sure if this issue happened both times on the same magazine.

One of the times after it happened, I tried to insert the top round again but the same thing happened. Then, I removed all of the rounds from the magazine and loaded them all again and it functioned fine. Besides this issue, the pistol functioned flawlessly.

Any idea what the cause of this could be?

Thanks.
 
#2 ·
I quit using Remington ammo because I had issues with it in a variety of calibers. For high volume reasonably priced range ammo I like Fiocchi
 
#3 ·
There are so many variables it would be nearly impossible to diagnose online but could be a lubrication or ammo issue. You may also need to load your mags up and let the springs take a set.

If it was a gun issue it would likely happen with more frequency.
 
#4 ·
Mark your mags so you can see if problem is confined to just one of them as I would tend to think it is a mag problem. I also suggest you load your mags and let them set several days to let the springs set.
 
#6 ·
I received my CQB a little over a week from Wilson and finally had a chance to take it to the range on Friday Aug 9th and Monday Aug 12th.

The gun is very accurate and the trigger feels great! I put 200 rounds through it Friday and 100 rounds through it Monday. I wanted to get 300 rounds through it before I give it it's first disassembly and cleaning.

I have had 3 issues arise.
1. Failure to Feed on numerous FMJ ammo companies
2. Nose Dive into feed ramp with JHP
3. Damage to Armor Tuff coating near the top of the ejection port

I bought this pistol as my carry 1911 and although these issues are not fatal on the practice range, I am not confident in the pistols performance to use it in carry. I will try to attach some photos of the specific issue.

Below is a list of the ammunition, number of rounds, and associated issues.
80 Winchester White Box 230gr FMJ - No Failure to Feeds
100 Sellier and Bellot 230gr FMJ - 1 Failure to Feed
50 Federal Champion 230gr FMJ - 5 Failure to Feeds
50 Remington 230 gr FMJ(green and white box) - 1 Failure to Feed
20 Federal Premium Tactical HST 230 gr JHP - 1 nose dive into feed ramp, Failure to Feed

The failure to feed issues usually happens when the slide is locked back, I insert a new magazine, press the slide release, and then the ammo only gets about 1/4 way into the chamber. It has happened in the middle of a magazine and on the 8 bullet in the ETM magazine. It is not specific to either magazine that I received from Wilson.
 
#7 ·
Continued: I have had great customer service interaction so far (I will name names if the CS rep wants the kudos but I will respect his privacy at this time!) and I sent the pistol back 2 Day air on WC's dime. 2 things: 1. I hope they can fix the feeding issue (I have not had 1 issue ever with my SA TRP and I was hoping my Wilson would replace that pistol as my carry full size 1911) and 2. I pray they can refinish the Armor Tuff slide finish around the ejection port where brass has dinged it up quite a bit in the first 300 rounds. You can probably guess how I felt after the first few magazines when I realized the external slide was being dinged up on a $3,300 pistol!

So far WC has been great to deal with and I have no concerns. Just want to get my pistol back ASAP!
 
#16 ·
Good luck...They will fix it one way or another...What size/manufacturers mags are you using?
 
#9 ·
With the exception of the HST all of that ammo is low end trash. It is fine for practice, but the QC is all over the shop and issues with it should be expected. Garbage in = Garbage out.

The brass kisses are pretty common, and can usually be removed with a little hoppes and some elbow grease.

Enjoy your TRP.
 
#27 ·
QFT.

Remember, your $3k WC has a match (read: tight) chamber. It is set up for quality ammo. With a proper taper crimp. With the correct OAL.

It wasn't meant to run on the crappiest factory ammo one can find. Good factory or good reloads is what it takes to make a WC/EB/LB/NHC run.

If that is what you are after, you only need to tell them when building the pistol "I intend to feed it Glock Gruel, please set it up accordingly."
 
#10 ·
Agreed that the FMJ listed is low end trash but has not caused issues in other .45ACP 1911s I have nor my SA EMP or Sig 226 in 9mm. Breaking a pistol in with high end defenisve ammo would cost a fortune!

I wish they were only brass kisses. The finish was gouged out down to the steel so no amount of cleaner or elbow grease would fix the issue. Only constant oiling would prevent rust on the exposed raw carbon steel.
 
#11 ·
jverheyen,
It is pretty well accepted knowledge that each manufacturer had differences in the ogive, even on RN ball, and seating depth - even more so in the JHP designs. These play a very significant role in feed geometry in a closely or tightly fit gun. I have had many of these same issues even in my Kimbers depending on ammo brand, and it also holds true for my reloads with different bullet makers. with some, the RN is too short on the "round" (probably close to a .5E ogive) and will not feed reliably in any of them no matter what seating depth I use, while others (a little closer to .75E ogive) are not terribly sensitive to seating depth as far as feed goes. Same with hollow points. I have had issues with feed using the WWB, but Magtech works great, S&B and a few others give occasional feed problems as far a factory goes. The only HP factory that does well in my Kimbers is the Federal Hydroshock 230 gr., the rest will have occasional nose-dives (some brands more than others).
Let us see what Wilson discovers and hope that your issue is resolved - their people in my experience are the best, bar none.
 
#15 ·
Have you tried golden saber? In my 6 month old TE it runs the best as far as JHP in the 10 round mags (the 8 round mags are good with almost anything).
 
#12 ·
You purchased one of the best weapons in the world made by the best smiths in the world from a company with THE best customer service. They will make it right. Patience, it will work out fine.
 
#14 ·
Don't discount needing to let those mag springs take a set. Load em up and let em sit at least overnight, and maybe a day or 2.

It does make a difference.
 
#17 ·
I had the same issue with my Tactical Elite. When a fresh mag would be inserted and slide released, the round would not chamber and was stuck. I had to send it to Wilson. They took care of it very quickly. No issues since.
 
#18 ·
Two things I narrowed this down to and fixed with my Kimber.

1: winchester ammo (everything I tried except 12g slugs) will not work in ANY gun I own in ANY caliber. Shotguns, pistols, and rifles. Every failure that can happen, did.

2: brand new magazines in my Kimber were doing this until I broke them in.

However, all 8 brand new Wilson mags worked flawlessly in my Wilson.
 
#19 ·
Not to defend any ammo house but my Wilson ULCCompact eats everything I have fed it flawlessly. I have run about 4 boxes of Winchester 100 count "white box" and runs like a Swiss watch. I have listened to the folks at Wilson though and have never run +P because of the 4" cycle issues others report.
 
#21 ·
Thanks everyone for your input. The pistol made its way back to Wilson last Friday and I am patiently waiting to hear what the gunsmiths have to say.

It came with 2 Wilson Combat ETM mags. The issue was not specific to either mag.
 
#23 ·
Just got my CQB back today. The CS rep at WC was great to work with, I even took the time to write a letter to Ryan Wilson commending the reps efforts.

The pistolsmiths at WC repolished the feed ramp, reworked barrel throat, and checked chamber specs. The also readjusted the extractor and its location in the breech face. The slide was also refinished. They test fired it with 100% reliability. I am very satisfied.

One thing I noticed is that the combat sights seem to favor the right side of the slide and the slide to frame fit seems looser than when I sent it in. I plan to get to the range in the next day or two. It shot a little left when I initially put 300 rounds to it, but that could be my technique. Regarding the looser slide to frame fit, I will take reliability over extreme accuracy since this is a self defense pistol and not a precise target pistol. I plan to get into IDPA and this gun is going to be my gamer. Just ordered two more ETM mags as they are 20% off for labor day so I will have 4 ETM mags including the two that came with my pistol.

Thoughts about the sights and slide to frame fit?
 
#24 · (Edited)
jverheyen,

I found the Battlesight was allowing me too much play between the notch and centering the front blade (even with my green fiber optic being so visible) to target. I pulled the Battlesight and put on a Kensight Adjustable. It was a great help for my line of sight to target. It mounts easily and looks much like the Wilson Battlesight.

Here are some pics. Hope they are of help.
 

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#26 ·
Took my CQB to the range for the first time since getting it back it shot very well with no issues. Put 50 Remington UMC, 30 WWB, and 20 Federal HST 230 grain through it with no issues. My perception is that it fed much smoother than previosu experience with no stutter or cher-chunk when I released the slide from the lock back position and also when I manually cycled the slide with a full magazine with the slide starting from the in battery position. I will be running Federal HST 230 grain as my self defense ammo (I use this in my SA EMP 9mm and my SA TRP too).

Regardless of the sights appearing to favor the right side of the slide, the pistol had no issues with windage as most of my shots where impacting just above my point of aim at the self defense distance I was shooting.

Very happy customer.

Although WC refinished the slide and adjusted the extractor, I still have a few dings happening in the Armor Tuff finish just outside the ejection port causing slight cosmetic dings in the finish. I will live with it seeing this is going to be a carry pistol and a tool rather than a collector piece/safe queen. I am sure this wont be the only wear on the finish over the years! As long as it shoots when I pull the trigger, I am happy.